Plants before the sun?

[Cheeserino]

By the way. Do you think that's what your Jesus actually looked like as depicted by your picture?

1 CORINTHIANS 11:14 - Does not the native sense of propriety itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is a dishonor to God?

That one is brought up a lot, but pointlessly.  It's just saying "society says don't have long hair, so you probably shouldn't."  It doesn't treat it as sin and I love how we can find the one thing that doesn't work to help us.  It's stupid-speaking as a dude with longer hair-but it's not saying stone the guy.

[Cheeserino]

The bible doesn't say anything about parting the clouds.

GENESIS 1:16 - And God made the two great lights. The greater light (the sun) to rule the day and the lesser light (the moon) to rule the night. He also made the stars.

By the way, that last bit shows me that these wern't the words of a divine being since he mentions nothing about the sun and the stars being the same things.

I know the Bible doesn't say anything about God parting the clouds. However, The first light is a mystery. God's glory?

radiation from the Big Bang.

[Cheeserino]

By the way, that last bit shows me that these wern't the words of a divine being since he mentions nothing about the sun and the stars being the same things.

Now THAT may be a very good point indeed.

[Disciple of Christ]

The bible doesn't say anything about parting the clouds.

GENESIS 1:16 - And God made the two great lights. The greater light (the sun) to rule the day and the lesser light (the moon) to rule the night. He also made the stars.

By the way, that last bit shows me that these wern't the words of a divine being since he mentions nothing about the sun and the stars being the same things.

I know the Bible doesn't say anything about God parting the clouds. However, The first light is a mystery. God's glory?

radiation from the Big Bang.

Are you suggesting the Bible knew about the Big bang? Until we discover what this first light was. It will be a mystery to mankind.

[Cheeserino]

No, but there's no point to criticize the one area they got right.  There indeed was light before stars, so why in the fucking hell shit piss would you bring up the one point they lucked into?

[Pat]

This is actually a pretty basic question.  The first thing created in genisis is light.  Plants need light not the sun.

So where did this light come from?

edit: seems Im a bit late to this thread 

[Pat]

DC if you spent half the time you spend debating why your god is real reading about the origins of religion and early mythological beliefs you would understand why we don't believe in your version of god.

I'm not too familiar with other religions, but I know Paganism believes the Universe is eternal. Modern Science says the Universe was born 13.8 billion years ago. The Hindus believe every 4 billion years the Universe is destroyed and another one is created. Christianity says the universe was created, and it will continue to expand. So give me a reason why I should believe the Pagans and Hindus over Christianity?

What's your reason for believing christianity over scientific research?

[TheFluffyDuck]

unfortunatly this. Plants before the sun debate can easily be debunked by some creationist saying. "See how smart god is he made plants in readyness for the sun becasue he knew what he was going to make" and unfortunatly all you pointed out was more "evidence" of how awsome god is.

Even though you want to slap the person for epic fail, its not evidence its just weird.

[Haltensie]

That one is brought up a lot, but pointlessly.  It's just saying "society says don't have long hair, so you probably shouldn't."  It doesn't treat it as sin and I love how we can find the one thing that doesn't work to help us.  It's stupid-speaking as a dude with longer hair-but it's not saying stone the guy.

I wasn't using it as an argument for science. I was merely showing Disciple of Christ that if Jesus really did have long hair he would be dishonoring God/himself. I'm aware though that it doesn't say it's a sin and I never implied that's what is meant.

Not everything I say is for the sake of science.

[Cheeserino]

I never once used the word science, or said you were using it in the sake of and have no clue how you reached that conclusion.  I'm saying it never says that it is dishonoring god, then it'd be a sin.  It pretty much says "society takes long hair as lame so you shouldn't go through with it"

[BlackCat]

Forgive me if someone already brought up this point, I may have missed it as I was reading, but.. ok..

If the Sun's gravity is what holds our solar system together in the first place, exactly how would there have been an Earth for plants to grow on before the Sun?

[Haltensie]

I never once used the word science, or said you were using it in the sake of and have no clue how you reached that conclusion.  I'm saying it never says that it is dishonoring god, then it'd be a sin.  It pretty much says "society takes long hair as lame so you shouldn't go through with it"

I reached that conclusion because you said it doesn't help "us". If you didn't mean science then what did you mean by "us"? I wasn't trying to help "us". I was pointing something out to DC for his own benefit.

You should go look it up because it does says it in the bible that it is dishonoring God. But it does not use the word sin.

[Cheeserino]

Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory

That is the quote I know and if you are suggesting another one, fair enough.  With this one, the only one I know about long hair, it says nothing other than dishonoring yourself.  My guess is you took him the wrong way. 
 
By 'us' I meant atheists. 

[Orkal3]

Disciple of Christ, if you take every word of the bible literally, then do you still believe that the earth is geocentric or that it is flat?

[mrcnfox]

while it is true that the sun and moon were created after many living things the bible does state, and the godpods use this as a way out of this question, that the first thing god created was light. It does not say that he also created heat at the same time so they still have a problem. Unless, of course, god created an inefficient light that lost a lot of energy by heat.
In which case god created the first deliberately inefficient object.
In my experience, it is pointless debating such things with the godpods. They will always fall back on the power and ability of god to do what he likes when he likes and not be bound by the same physical laws that everything else is.
He can do as he likes and it will be done just because he likes.
he's a funny chap really and has a lot of funny followers. Just sit back and enjoy the comedy of the religious mind.
But debate with the religious is pointless. all their beliefs and ideas are already determined. They only have the option of either accepting everything their chosen holy book says, or deny its authority thus making it and their beliefs no more valid than say a book of poems. Maybe inspired but not the ultimate word of the all powerful supreme being.
So, they really have no choice in what they believe. So it is highly unlikely that they will be deterred by logic, common sense and science. 

[FamilyGuyLover]

well, yet another hole in there logic. Thats like the internet being created before the computer, not possible.

[jesussocratic]

What I am trying to say is I came to this sight because I believe in God.  I have answered all of the questions that the church has to offer.

What I hear you saying is that because the Bible has errors none of what the Bible says is true.
Right?
Since the Bibke talks about God and some of it is wrong then there is not any god?

I am not disagreeing with anyone. I just want to figure out what you are saying.  This other theist may be arguing but I am truely trying to understand.

[jesussocratic]

PS.  Obviously this picture is not what Jesus looked like.  There were not any digital cameras 2000 years ago. 

[samanimz]

No, there were not digital cameras. But there is scientific evidence to conclude what his skin tone, height, build, etc, would have been. But the results of the research were not satisfactory, so the image most people see replaced them. Religion tends to omit and replace quite often.

[Haltensie]

What I am trying to say is I came to this sight because I believe in God.  I have answered all of the questions that the church has to offer.

What I hear you saying is that because the Bible has errors none of what the Bible says is true.
Right?
Since the Bibke talks about God and some of it is wrong then there is not any god?

I am not disagreeing with anyone. I just want to figure out what you are saying.  This other theist may be arguing but I am truely trying to understand.

Some of the bible is true of course, but some bits are just out right RIDICULOUS! You also have to keep in mind that most of us are only atheists and NOT adeists.

There's absolutely no problem believing in (a) god/gods. I can actually see the logic in that. But to believe in any of the gods that are apart of any religion without any sufficient evidence is just plain crazy and stupid.